The fairness debate

@caseofbud better you use RP support , on RP, right upper part of the page, its a questionmark, please use that.

This is community forum and this is not the right thread anyway.

Like most of you I have won and lost hands playing poker. Most of my poker experience has been live poker at casino tables. Although I have not charted 1000 hands or even 100 hands I have noticed that flushes occur more regularly on this site than I would expect at live poker. In addition, I have had more full-boats beaten by fours-of-a-kind than Iā€™ve even seen fours-of-a-kind. After reading some of the posts on this thread I agree with those who say, ā€œitā€™s just a free site for the thrill of playing poker.ā€ I am always looking to improve my poker strategy and game play, however, I feel that this site encourages all-in, balls-to-the-wall, poker that will not help me improve my game. So if, in the future, I am going to continue to play Replay Poker I will try to simply enjoy the ride for what it is and when I want to work on my poker game will attend live poker at the casino and home games. Good Luck to all of you.

ā€˜Iā€™ve seen more ā€˜full-boatsā€™ beaten by ā€˜fours-of-a-kindā€™ than Iā€™ve even seen ā€˜fours-of-a-kindā€™ā€™. No man, you havenā€™t. There are issues with that sentence. You theorists will never change your mind anyway, your pretty fixated that Replay is trying to scam you (for some odd reason that I canā€™t really understand,) but this is all I can say. Here it is again :stuck_out_tongue: [quote=ā€œflyinghigh, post:2, topic:4474ā€]
Nobody wants people like you spamming the forums with petty evidence that the site is ā€˜riggedā€™ as a complex way for them to scrape a few extra cents. Iā€™ve played for a long time on this site (I had an older account that got deleted when I realised you werenā€™t allowed two accounts) and Iā€™ve seen some crazy stuff. Iā€™ve hit one outers, people have hit one outers against me, and Iā€™ve even had str8 flush over str8 flush. But none of these things in any way suggest that the site is rigged. Poker on all sites and in casinos have the same situations, and to be honest, I often find that the people who argue that the site is rigged (even with itā€™s PRNG certificate) have very little knowledge of the game and how to play, and then they blame their losses on the site being rigged. Iā€™ve even proven that situations that these people have claimed to have happened have never actually occurred to them. Anyway, link this to the fairness debate. You might get some member of staff to say what Iā€™ve just said, but you will never actually achieve anything by making these accusations. Thanks,-Flyinghigh-
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Sorry Flyinghighā€¦What I meant to convey was that I had seen more full-boats beaten by fours-of-a-kind, on this site, than I had seen fours-of-a-kind in live poker. Even if you donā€™t believe that to be a true and accurate statement let me say that I do enjoy this site (it is my first online poker experience) and I just have to get accustomed to the styles of play I am seeing here. Good Luck to you.

I can believe that, because when you play online you clearly play a lot more hands per hour (especially if you play more than one table) so you are going to see faster swings and bigger variance. Even if you play just one table, you still might play three or four times as many hands. I checked your profile and you have played somewhere between 3K and 10K hands, lets say 5K. In that time you would expect to see 50-100 quads depending on whether you play mostly 6-max or full ring, and what stake level you play at (at the higher level people are more likely to fold a hand that would become quads). So you are going to see crazy stuff like full- house over quads far more often than in the odd home game. Anyways, good luck learning online poker. Try watching some videos and reading some books to improve your game and it should be fun and understandable. Try to build youe chips on Replay and you will get out of the stakes where people have no clue how to play whatsoever, which takes a lot of the skill and fun out of the game because you basically just have to wait for a good hand and then be really agressive.
Good luck!
-Flyinghigh-

This site is not random play. The cards and hands are manipulated by the Program. I have asked for evidence to the contrary and Replay cannot provide it.

The flop, turn, and river are influenced by the cards that are flopped preflop. The site has programming which can influence who wins and who loses.

I have complained many times about the lack of random play to the point that Replay no longer answers my questions nor responds to my comments. Their response to my questions and comments has been to manipulate my cards, my hands, and my ultimate success.

When I can compete it is because Replay allows me to. I have encouraged management to reprogram their site to allow for random play. This has not happened.

Anyone who believes that this site allows for random play is sadly mistaken. The play is totally manipulated

Replay provides an ad-free venue where you can play at no cost. You seem to have a very high opinion of yourself. Iā€™m just curiousā€¦ what makes you think you can demand they provide ā€œproofā€ of anything to you?

Where is your proof?

I donā€™t win every time, and yeah, i have taken some bad beats. Then again, Iā€™m man enough to admit I donā€™t always play perfect poker, and smart enough to understand that even a 9-1 favorite will lose 10% of the time.

Only fools play in a game they think is rigged. Iā€™m going to keep playing here, are you?

Oh, one more thingā€¦ Replayā€™s pRNG is certified by an independent 3rd party. The certs can be found hereā€¦

http://www.gamingassociates.com/certificate/ReplayPoker_Certificate.pdf

Of course, I doubt that will be proof enough for you. In fact, I doubt you would accept any proof that goes against your preconceived notions.

Have a nice day!

@jjack.
On the bottom of the dashboard page you will see the following line of text
Ā© 2016 Replay Gaming About Us Jobs Terms Privacy Rules Tour RNG Certificate.
That RNG Certificate is Replay Pokers evidence. Its right there on display all the time for anybody to inspect. Click on the RNG Certificate and it will show you a copy of it. Replays evidence is there. Where is yours.
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,ā€œTheir response to my questions and comments has been to manipulate my cards, my hands, and my ultimate success.ā€ (quote)ā€¦

If replay are guilty of manipulating your cards we need to see your cards in order to determine if the evidence is there or not. Have you saved and analysed 10,000 consecutive hands?. What were your findings?. What statistics were so far from what should be expected that you can say with such certainty that the deal is not random?. Can you post a link to this record of hands (if it exists) so the players on here can also analyse it?. That is pretty simple to do.
If you havenā€™t got this evidence please dedicate some time to saving and analysing 10,000 hands rather than, once again, making unfounded allegations.

I have a copy of the ā€œevidenceā€ that you say is proof that my allegations
are unfounded. If you read it closely you will see that it does not prove
anything.
Your comments sound very much like ā€œthe company lineā€. Do you work for
Replay Poker?

Any one who plays poker a lot can make deductions based on their play. We
play, hopefully, based on probabilities that have to do with poker
experience or an understanding of mathematical probabilities or both. We
leave the analization of hands to the mathematicians who delve into such
matters. The gifted players use both criteria to play their game. The
rest of us probably use the same criteria, only to a lesser degree.

My point is, if you play a lot with Replay Poker over time you will deduce
that the flop, turn, and river are influenced by the cards that are folded
preflop. This helps to account for the not uncommon situation where a
players folded cards show up on the flop turn and river.

If you really believe that Replay canā€™t manipulate the cards at the tables
or even an individualsā€™ hand(s) then you do not live in the same world of
electronics that I do.

I have complained long and hard to Replay about the absence of ā€œrandomnessā€
in their play. They have never told me that the play is 100% random. It
isnā€™t.

Show me one hand where this actually happened. Folded cards coming back as community cards.

While Replay can manipulate hands the question is why would they. It would be the single biggest mistake and the most damaging thing they could do. They would lose the trust of the players and lead to a mass exodus thus dooming the company to the history books. If your hands are being manipulated please show the proof and I will be the first to leave. File the hand sample (10000), create a link, post the link, easy. I genuinely would like to see them. As you are making the allegations does not the burden of proof lie with you. Accusing anybody of cheating without evidence normally leads to a court appearance. After all Replay do own the site and are free to do as they please with it.

You suggested that I work for Replay, but I can offer 100% proof that I donā€™tā€¦

Youā€™re still here.

If someone complains once or twice, ok, all in a dayā€™s work, right? But make no mistake about it, I would ban anyone badgering the staff with unceasing claims of unfairness, card tampering, etc etc (ad nausium). Since you arenā€™t banned yet, itā€™s clear I donā€™t work here.

As for the rest of your silly drivelā€¦ pfffft.

I have been trying to contact you to tell you what happened to me last night you will not believe this I was playing replay poker from 7;30 TILL 12;15 AT 11:45 I WAS IN A HAND and the flop was k-j-q diamonds I called Than an 8 fell giving me a pair 8s we than were down t0 2 players one of us bet than the last card fell another 8 giving me 3 -8s The dealer said my opponate won with A-5 STRIGHT CAN YOU IMAGE I could not believe it I TOLD HIM THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE and it was I am sure he deleted that right after it happened Just wanted you to know sammymorgan

Sounds like you misread it. It probably said ā€œA(ce) high straight.ā€

Hi sammymorgan,

We are glad to hear from you! We love getting questions from our players!
I did some research on the hands that you played on 8/31, and was unable to locate a hand with the exact circumstances you described above. I could not find a hand which was won with 1-5 straight in the series I reviewed. However, I did find one that was very close at 11:38 and your comment about its impossibility followed soon after. Is this possibly the one you are referring to?

Hand #236969892:
The board flops Jd,Td,8s
The turn flops Kd
The river flops 8c
nms bet 1600 on the river and you called
nms showed his cards: Ks8h, which gave him a Full House and he won the pot with 8s full of Ks
You mucked, so I did not see the cards you were holding.
Hope this helps clarify the hand.

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Again, you espouse the ā€œcompany lineā€. Makes me think you are an employee
of Replay or a fictional person created by Replay.

What Iā€™m saying about the folded cards is not that they are identical to
those on the flop, turn, or river but that these folded cards influence
what shows up on the flop, turn, or river. I have played hundreds of hands
where the cards in my hand (folded) would have won the hand had I stayed
in. I suspect that there are many many players who would share that
observation.

I agree with your comment about ā€œWhy would they manipulate handsā€¦ā€? That
is hard to answer. It could have something to do with making the game more
attractive, more exciting, or more fun. It could also have to do with
having ā€œcontrolā€ of the play, rewarding certain kinds of play or punishing
certain kinds of play. There are any number of reasons why they might
manipulate what otherwise would be ā€œrandomā€ play.

You say that the ā€œburden of proofā€ is with me. I disagree. I believe the
burden of proof is with Replay. Thus far they have been unable to show me
any proof. The statement they provided me proves nothing. Replay has
never answered specific questions regarding how and why they manipulate the
cards. This is because they canā€™t answer the questions without admitting
that their Program lacks ā€œrandomnessā€

Iā€™ve never accused anyone of ā€œcheatingā€. Iā€™m guessing that many of
Replayā€™s employees are not aware of how Replay is programmed or even that
it is. I believe that Support will always espouse the Company Line. At
what level the manipulations are taking place is anyoneā€™s guess.

I have complained for a long time about the manipulations and the lack of
random play and believe these complaints have somehow impacted my cards, my
hands, and my ultimate success at the tables. I have played at Replay for
several years (thousands of hands and tournaments) and feel as if my
experiences with Replay give some credibility to my claims.

There are probably hundreds of players who might share my observations.

Well Jjack,
Iguess you have never been @ a bar, homegame, or casinoā€¦ and folded garbage only to see it wouldā€™ve won the hand. You also believe that the folded order of the cards in the discard pile should have no effect on the next hand. I guess these events only occur on ReplayPoker.

I have been playing every day for about 80 days now on RP, I have never spent a dime, never had to use the top off feature of chips, and only played MTTs. I think you are dead wrong about manipulation of hands/cards. I donā€™t always play serious but 1.5m in chips is not too shabbyā€¦

Have you ever heard of Kharma ???

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@jjack
Haahahahahahahaaaahahhahahh Fictional person hahahahahahahahaahā€¦ I might change my avatar name to that. haahahah The conspiracy theory runs deep here.
About the folded hands winning ;If you play live this will happen regularly. The reason you fold is because you have a junk hand but sometimes the flop is junk too so it hits your now dead hand. It happens a lot in live games. A lotā€¦
I have asked twice for your evidence but you seem unwilling to provide it so I wont waste any more of my or your time.
Good Luck from the fictional personā€¦
(if I exist at all)

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Statistically, at a 9 seat table, you will have the winning hand 1 in 9. Do you get a premium hand that often? Do your premium hands always win?

The answer to both questions is no. Therefore, it follows that junk hands that you fold will sometimes turn out to be the best hand by the river.

And yes, it really is just that simple.

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ouch thats last 3 comment must hit under belt for lot of these complainersā€¦

I chellenge all these complainers to came up with some proof, or hold they mouth to peace.
Some are
@sammymorgan
@jjack
@eaglesfan0_8
and some more

I dare you put your dime where you put your mouth!