What would you do in this river spot? MTT

This is the hand transcript: MTT 5 handed, 1k/500 10% ante, hero UTG has 6s5s,
eff. stack hero: 44.4k
Hero opens for 3k, villain in MP calls, folds to BB who calls.

FLOP: 2h3h6c, POT: 10k, 3 handed
hero bets 5k, villain calls, BB calls

TURN: 4c, POT: 25k, 3 handed
hero bets 16k, villain calls, BB folds

RIVER: 8h, POT: 57k, 2 handed
hero goes all in for 20.4k, villain calls.

villain shows AhQh and wins the hand.

I would like the perspective of you guys. What would you do in this spot and why? and if you can back it up with math I would really appreciate your input. Thank you.

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I had never go all in with 6s5s even a good chans with a straight when the first 2 cards is hearts!

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Would had you gone all in on the river as I did after you made a straight on the turn and the action went bet call bet call? and why or why not?

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hero, villainâ€¦with a pair of sixes and the straight and tripple draw vs. a straight and 2 flush draws to go all- in: who is the hero and who is the villain ? for me, itâ€™s more a stupid all- in; maybe the thinking was: facing those draws the villain (winner) would fold, but didnâ€™tâ€¦on day a player lost to another and wrote idiot; i could not resist to write: the winner is the idiotâ€¦have a good dayâ€¦

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I did not fully understood the point of your comment. did you call my opponent and me idiots? I had some reasonings as to why I went all in on the river, I came here hoping to get a different more reasonable perspective. But thanks for your comment though.

Itâ€™s impossible to say what I wouldâ€™ve done, because looking at a replay is so different to being in the middle of the action.

But if youâ€™re going to play with 5/6 suited (which I wouldnâ€™t), hit a pair on the flop (but with an obvious draw or flopped straight for someone else), then make a straight on the turn, shove after the turn. Would he have called with the nut flush draw? He probably wouldâ€™ve done. Most people do, because itâ€™s not real money. I definitely wouldâ€™ve done.

In your shoes, with 3 of a suit on the table after the river, I wouldâ€™ve checked and folded, which I realize makes me a very bad player because it shows how easily pushed off a hand I am, but thatâ€™s how it is. For me, knowing full well Iâ€™m about to get flushed but continuing is not a situation Iâ€™m likely to get in to ever again.

I definitely wouldnâ€™t have raised out of position with 5 and 6 suited because itâ€™s not a hand that ever goes anywhere for me. But I completely get why someone would play it.

But hey, I chase flushes and get bluffed very easily, so my advice is useless!

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Punisher: i asked, who is the hero and who the villain ? you had a pair and a straigth draw, your opponent a flush draw; turn comes: on the table: 2 hearts, 2 clubs; before the river: a 5, and 5, 7 would have made a straight, a club or a heart would have made a flushâ€¦rockywater needed a heart, queen or an ace to win, an ace or 7 would have give you a straightâ€¦it was a very risky all-in and a very risky callâ€¦no, i do not want anybody (you or other) call an idiot, you both had a good chance to win;

the hero and villain were the words, who forced me to make a comment: maybe i do not exactly understand the the phrase hero and villain, because villain could be translated as Schurke, BĂ¶sewicht (rogue, evildoer), harsh words, so i askedâ€¦ and the stupid all-in was a bad choice of words, sorryâ€¦

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I would not have raised from under the gun with 65 suited, because the chances of a flop coming 6 high are very slight, and in most circumstances even if you made a pair of sixes, there would be an overcard or two, and very likely any caller would have two cards higher than six.

Even if you had made a larger pre-flop raise AQ suited was going to call.

It is a simple fact of poker that if you play with low cards and you hit the flop, you are always at risk of being outdrawn on later streets. A player with the nut flush draw and two overcards on RP always calls any bet to the river. At the turn you were favorite to win the pot with your straight, but you lost the pot.

Yesterday I played a hand where I was all-in pre-flop for 4 million chips with AA versus an opponent with KK. A third player who had 66 also joined the pot. As you might expect, the player with 66 won the pot with a flush!

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I think a little deeper stacked and 65 suited from the high jack becomes a reasonable open. At a little under 50 big blinds deep, making a 3 bb raise, Iâ€™m imagining that most solvers wouldnâ€™t have it in range, but I still think it is a fairly reasonable hand to play with a mixed strategy.

The flop of 2h3h6c does not provide the raiser with any kind of nut advantage at all, as both callers are more likely to have sets or 54. That said, you still have an equity advantage, as this board mostly misses everyone, and you still have the strongest range (though it is worth pointing out the the cut off will have a stronger range than the big blind, and that your equity advantage there is smaller, and that they will see greater equity realization with their range than you thanks to their positional advantage).

Given these factors, Iâ€™d be inclined to check or bet small with most my range, though hands like JJ and QQ might feel inclined to make larger protection bets (your half pot bet fits into that category), and if you do want larger bets for part of your range, then 65 might be included in that larger range (though Iâ€™d also make some smaller bets with this holding).

On the turn with the 4 of clubs, I think youâ€™ve hit the near nuts on a wet board, and I think I mostly just put all of my chips in now. I find the bet size actually chosen a little awkward, as I think it mostly commits you to the pot even when one of the two flush draws hit (and also leaves you in a difficult spot if the river is a 5).

By the time you get to the river the way you did, I think I prefer check calling. You lose the same amount of chips with the holding that your opponent actually had, but you allow some other busted draws to bluff at the pot (or someone to over value a weird hand like an over pair to the board).

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Oh, just elaborating on the check/calling versus leading decision on the river, another way of evaluating the trade off here:

• if I lead, how many combos of weaker hands usually call, and how many combos of better (or equal) hands fold
• if I check, how many combos of worse hands bet

I think you generally donâ€™t have as many combos in the first bullet, and so that you fair better here check calling on the river, except against an opponent that you know almost never bluffs on the river, and wonâ€™t be inclined to bet in this spot with a marginal holding like an over pair.

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I donâ€™t know about the value of your preflop bet with 6,5 suited.

Your post flop bet was okay with high pair but what were you thinking when called with 2,3 hearts hitting the board?

Your opponent couldâ€™ve also hit a pair 2,3, or 6?

Opponent might have paired since he called. If it was a 6, you had a poor kicker. Most likely, his cards were both higher than yours at this point.

You shouldâ€™ve gone all-in after hitting the str8 on the turn to block a flush river draw.

I think you just got too Greedy!

But, most likely he wouldâ€™ve called your Turn all-in since he had an AQ four flush.

Obviously, since you were in position, you shouldâ€™ve just checked after the River card instead of your all-in because your Turn bet was very large and was called. Most likely your opponent wouldâ€™ve gone all-in with the nut Flush and that wouldâ€™ve been a good time to fold on your part.

Iâ€™ve noticed, so many people on here chase 4 flush hands, you shouldnâ€™t feel discouraged by the results.

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This all depends on how much you care about funny money. If Iâ€™m one off from getting paid and I can afford to see the turn after getting 66 and straight draw then I keep rolling. If I see the straight draw and someone calls me on a big bet trying to push them off a chase then Iâ€™m going to assume they hit the nuts and then probably fold out because people call anything. I had AK suited and raised pre flop. Then the first person to just call raises me ??? Okayâ€¦then K hits rainbow. He calls all in mind you this is the first hand of a 1MM buy in. Already you want to go all in? Okay I call and he has K10 off suite so I have the best hand until he hits a 10 on the River. Then entire betting by him was garbage because he has over a billion chips and losing didnt mean anything but I have 6mm and a 1MM loss opening hand when I have AK spades to his K10 off suite I have 74.57% to his 24.33%. My point is some people call not caring and have no business raising me then all in after just calling. He didnâ€™t care if he lost and some people canâ€™t let their pride go by just folding or calling a smaller bet and get lucky I think after the flop you had 83% and call but â€śvillainâ€ť thinks youâ€™re bluffing or wonders why youâ€™re calling 5-6 in the first place

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not that I know any thing about this great game but after doing exactly what you did nd losing majority of time i now always try to see if theres a possibility of being beat by a higher hand for instance you had straight but the flush was a possibility and because the player matched every bet without much hesitation I would have waited at the river checked to see what he had or if they bet and if so how much that way you may have lost half your stack but not all of it Like I say I am probably wrong with this answer so please dont take my word for it theres a lot better players out there that may have better solution

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Hero and villain doesnâ€™t mean that â€śoh im the good guy and my opponent is the bad guy that sucked outâ€ťâ€¦ These are established poker terms that are there to help the reader/players know which perspective to take (the hero) and who is the main opponent that the hand revolved around (the villain).

Normally when we do these hand analysis we do not disclose our opponent hand and the last action we did. for example in this hand I would had not told you guys nor show that my opponent had AhQh and that I pushed all in on the river. on the hand transcript I would left â€śhero ?â€ť under the river and leave it to you guys to wonder what my opponent would had in that scenario and what should hero do. we do that so that we dont get 1 dimensional answers because it is easy to make decisions after you know what villain has, but I was looking for a different answer a more â€śmathematicalâ€ť answer for the river spot.

no worries, no hard feelings mate.

nah man, I appreciate your advice, you brought up a good point. looking back at this hand I could of pushed all in on the turn, I think I slightly misplayed it on that turn, there are some obvious reasons why pushing does make sense.

44 bb is pretty deep in tournaments especially in fast ones and also Iâ€™m playing 5 handed, 65s is a reasonable hand to play.

I agree with you man. I slightly misplayed the turn, I say slightly because the intention was there just not the optimal size for the situation that I was in, this was definitely a great spot to push all in. I came here asking for something else but I left with a better perspective thanks man.

@Punlsher

I saw this hand replay yesterday. At the time, he wasnâ€™t the #1 ranked player on Replay. So, maybe chasing a 4 flush hand is just the Replay way. And, the call wasnâ€™t for just an 80k pot.

Btw, I still believe one shouldnâ€™t chase a 4 flush hand especially with real money. Just ask Garrett Adelstein, who did just that at the Hustler Casino in an on-line streaming game.

Unless youâ€™re willing to cry Foul like a little baby.

To chase or not to chase seems to divide opinion, but from what I can tell, a lot of pros will continue if they flop a flush draw but give up on a backdoor. On the other hand, some people say you shouldnâ€™t even chase a flush with a draw. I donâ€™t quite follow the latter reasoning, because it seems to suggest one should only continue with a flopped flush. That, logically, would also exclude semi-bluffs.

With a flopped draw, I chase all the way to showdown, all in if necessary, because losing in this situation doesnâ€™t bother me very much. A pair on the table might scare me into folding, mind. However, folding (yet hitting on the river) or folding and never knowing what might have been tilts me much more than losing.

Yes, I agree. I should qualify my opinion with it really depends on the amount of the raise(s) you face compared to your stack size. Again, JMO.

I would have folded! three same kind showing,is a possible flush vs straight