The fairness debate

My last comment is still valid though :slight_smile:

Hehe, yeah, we like to rely on a the truth. It’s a fault. We don’t manipulate the cards, the dealing software deals the cards, the RNG makes sure it’s random. There’s no interaction between hands, as each deck is recreated anew. That’s what it does, 'cause that’s all it can do. We’re always willing to look at any hands you’re curious about – just email us at!

Did you see me shoot my own joke before?

@whoeverit You just fall for it big time

well thats kind of the point, there are so many silly hands its unbelieveable…i understand you dont manipulate anything…i said it was a poor poker program that would really like us to buy tokens…just for the record been playin poker for at least 30 years never seen anything like the hands here…poker is poker no matter where you play odds dont change that much, and the odds here dont matter…explain y so many straights, flushes, fullhouses, 4 of kind… itts constant every couple of hands ther will be one of’em.

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if anyone doesn’t see manipulation in how these cards fall to benifet a certain player or seat is not paying attention I’m not saying certain situations with the cards cant happen but the frequency is not random.this three sngs isaw this scenario of out of this world river me and other dealt 8/10/ flop brings 8/10/2 turn is 4 now at this point I’m in good shape with 2 highest pair big bet i go.nope opponent follows with his10/9 the river brings a A/9 beat by A/ 10 opponents 10 given on river.this happened several times in the three games I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but thefrequency is notrandom or normal theres a pattern where its ussualy just one card high enough to take you out ive been on this site over 3 years so ive had time to far as a lot of hses,flushes, girlfrieand plays leagues on 1 night a week 5 to 7 players andweekends playssometimes up to 12hours a night with family/ friends.we kept track from feb1st to april 30th we saw 3 fullhouses I took 3 random sngs 2 nine seat 1 six saw 9 fullhouses one time 7 the next.

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all I am going to say is, action flops, turns and rivers. next time you play, pay attention look at everyone’s cards and the cards on the table and you will see why so many players stay in till the end. pay attention not just one game, but do it for a week and you will see what I am talking about. that’s why you see lots of straights flushes and full houses I am going to echo what hd101 said. [quote=“hd101, post:893, topic:2578”]
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but the frequency is not random

At this point i’m surprised none of the tinfoil hat wearing, action flop shouting, bad beat champions of this site, have put together all these numbers to provide statistical evidence for their claims. I’m sure that if you combined all the hands of all the people that think the site is rigged, you’d have your proof right in front of you.

Or don’t do that because you won’t find anything, stick to complaining on this thread, whatever floats your boat. (get it, fine i’ll leave)


Hmmmmm… the action flop is robbing me theory. To me it seems the idea wasn’t thought through properly. Regardless of the flop there is a basic truth in poker. In each hand, with the exception of split pots, one player will win while the rest lose. That is the truth of poker. A 9 seat table has 1 winner and 8 losers. This truth exists regardless of how many tables are playing. If 100 tables are playing that is 100 winners and 800 losers. That is a truth that cannot be changed.
I know the “action flop is robbing me” theorists will, at this time, be yelling about action flops forcing them to bet more and thus lose more. Pot size does not change the truth. 1 winner 8 losers. If you are losing big pots on action flops by the law of averages you should also be winning big pots on them. 1 winner 8 losers. If you are losing more than winning look at your game but that still does not affect the truth. 1 winner 8 losers. What benefit can possibly be gained from distorting the flop. 1 will still win. 8 will still lose. That is a fact. It can make no difference and so it makes no sense.

Excerpt from your post. "next A/9 beat by A/ 10 opponents 10 given on river. "
if opponent rivered the 10 didn’t you also river the 10!!! Thanks for the laugh tho…

if the program they use for this site isnt designed to encourage us to buy chips then y not just charge a small yearly fee to help run the site and not sell chips id be up for that…

never thought of it your right. guess I’m wrong

You’re 100% right, but the logic they use to support this claim is: Lucky seat / Cheating player / Friend of admin always gets good cards → Action flop, who wouldn’t bet with AK right? → They lose to a better hand or sometimes a worse hand (statistically speaking how the hands perform heads up) → Come to forum to complain about either Action Flops or THIS SITE RIGGED BADBEAT ■■■■ HE CALL 89 AND WIN POT WTF.

IF There is an action flop, pots will get bigger, and the site will get rake more quickly, then again on replaypoker the rake is basically valueless chips which is only in place to keep the economy somewhat balanced and to make it feel more realistic, because it’s in place in all real money games. (aka anti chip inflation, this was explained by Qu4l0 and myself on another thread, cba to find it though) I think claiming that the rake is that bad that it causes people to buy chips, is preposterous, but that’s what the general belief among the tinfoil hat wearing loonies is. (But then why would replay give out endless 1k chips if you’re broke even though the people under the 200k chips total mark are the most likely to buy chips solely for the purpose of having extra chips, rather than supporting the site?)

There you go :wink:

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I have just had a look at the “action flop is robbing me” theory from a mathematical view-point. Action flops create bigger pots and so bigger rakes up to the max of 100 chips at low limit tables. If we take the max of 100 chip rake it gives an average of slightly over 11 chips per player per game. At 60 hands an hour that gives us 11 chips a minute and 660 chips an hour for each player. If we take the $2 for 60000 chips option (I chose that one because its first) Here is what we get:
1 chip costs 0.00333333333333333 cents
11 chips costs 0.0366666666666667 cents . That’s what one minute/one hand costs
660 chips cost 2.2 cents. That’s 60 hands an hour.
2500 free chips lasts 3 hours 47 minutes.
So basically, after 3 hours and 47 minutes the rake will start to cost the exorbitant fee of 2.2 cents an hour to continue play. It is probably costing more to run the machine you are playing on.
I ain’t super rich but i guess I can afford it if I cut back on a few things…

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Just a reminder that the cards you’re dealt is only a fraction of what happens during poker, too.

I can’t tell you the number of times that my King high flush was beat with a Ace high flush.
My full house was beat with a higher full house or a few occasions was even beat by 4 of a kind.

These loses are not once in a while. With Replay it happens in EVERY game.

I love to play Poker but it is NOT an unfair site. Nor is it dishonest. It works both ways. I have had games where I was the chosen winner and every hand that was dealt to me was a winner.

I love the challenge to see if my poker skills can beat the other Players but with this site sometimes it seems you also have to beat the Computer Program. No matter how good of a Poker Player you are you can’t beat a pre-programed hand and a pre-selected winner.

On the other hand it’s a free site and the best site I have found.

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So, you think you are a good one.
If you patient , play 3-4 hour, Im sure you get good nuts when other go all in or bet themselfs. Not a freakish computer on earth can beat that.

I’d like to see the four of a kind vs royal flush for confirmation that it happened. That is pretty unlucky if it happened but it doesn’t ‘proove’ that replay is manipulating the cards because it can happen and has happened many times before. It seems like rigging the site would be a very complicated and ineffective way for Replay to make money, and they wouldn’t have been able to get their RNG certificate anyway. Would like too see that you’re not lying though anyway, because I think you made that up.

Ya think?

Yeah… me too! That’s the stuff for James Bond films.

today this site proved to me something when the same player in the 20k mtt hi/lo got 4of kind 3 times in 5 hands someone figure those odds for me not to random if you ask me