I Got 2nd Place In An SnG 6-Max Tournament Playing Bingo

In hand 449421547, I had 42 offsuit. It’s not a very good hand, but I got a pair of twos and would have won if lolo18 didn’t have the pair of aces.

In hand 449421199, I had the best hand out of everyone who went all-in. I just got unlucky and lost. It happens. Bingo relies on luck. That’s how it works.

You posted the hands in the wrong order.

And I didn’t say anything mean in chat. I was just asking them to guess what time it was. And it was bingo time.

The order of the hands doesn’t matter, they just show the way you play, and the cards you’re going all in preflop with. “I would have won if” and “I had the best hand but” and ifs and buts and could’ve would’ve should’ve don’t change anything. If going all in preflop with 42o is your strategy, and you still call it a strategy, good luck to you!!

I didn’t say you were mean in the chat, I was just talking about how you’re bragging about your bingo. You should maybe consider not bragging till AFTER you’ve won the hand. What time is it? It’s bingo time… And you go all in, and you lose. What’s the point? :roll_eyes:

Telling them that it’s bingo time let’s them know that I’m going all-in no matter what I have. Bingo is bingo, whether you win or lose. And when I get a bingo, I usually say BINGO in chat. That’s what you’re supposed to do when you have a bingo. If I don’t have a bingo, then I keep playing if I can.

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Don’t worry I’m sure you’ll get a lot of support for the way you play from professional bingo players and bingo supporters. Someone will even come and tell us how they won 1 MTT playing bingo the whole time, which statistically means absolutely nothing. Winning 1 MTT in your whole life playing bingo will prove nothing at all. When you manage to win many many MTTs playing this way, then it’s a different story. But like puggy said, placing 2nd in a 6 seat SnG means nothing, and even winning 1 MTT out of hundreds played, using this “strategy” doesn’t prove anything.

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I think it’s fair to give the table the information. It really reinforces the strategy, because you’re TELLING them, no matter what, every hand is going to be an all-or-nothing proposition to them, until you’re gone from the table.

A lot of players, I would predict, would feel very uncomfortable calling if it’s not in their usual strategy to be that willing to put all at risk preflop. So, as long as you’re not being totally obnoxious about it and rubbing their faces in their losses (it’s really pretty random who wins a given hand in this style of play after all, not your superior skill or decision making ability) announcing that you’re always going to shove is both fair to them, and likely to get them to understand that they’re going to HAVE to call at some point in order to play a hand, and thus they’ll be more likely to call with marginal cards, rather than wait on a premium pair to hit them.

I think it’s a nearly essential part of the strategy, really.

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Selective shoving worked pretty well for the Halloween SnG promo, but they were 9-player tables. As such I’m not entirely surprised by the results @Max17903 had. Your last point in that paragraph is pretty key: there is always another one starting if you lost. So you get your points for the LB and move on to the next one. You are definitely gambling… but… if you have a bigger picture you are working on, frequent shoving is an efficient albeit risky method.

This is essentially what you do in the 500 B+R Bankroll builder or the other Rebuy tournaments. See the thread below.

Also, I would suggest to @Max17903, if you want to try this in an MTT without rebuys, the 2.5K Ruby tournaments are quite shove-happy early on. Of course, the Freerolls would be less expensive and a much, much more difficult task as they frequently get 200 or so entrants.

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Only until the rebuy period is over. You can’t do it all through the tourney till the end. Those who do it do it because they can still rebuy if things go wrong. After the rebuy period, if things go wrong, they’re out, no more lifelines.

I don’t think posting the results of an experiment is “bragging.”

There’s no bragging in science, only results.

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So now it’s an experiment? And it’s science? SPG aren’t you the one who, in every thread, refuted any “results” posted as being scientifically insufficient to come up with a conclusion, saying you need thousand and thousands of hands to reach an acceptable conclusion?
Now you call this 1 game an experiment, and science?

The bragging is not in posting the hands anyway, but rather in the spirit of “look at me I’m playing bingo and placing”. If you don’t see it as bragging, that’s up to you, but please don’t call it science :wink:

Also, in science, you should post both results, the positive and the negative, not selectively post the ones that support your theory :nerd_face:

Well, er, yes, that’s how poker works. Your hand wins, unless someone else makes a better hand. You can even win a pair of 2s. Or High Card. Unless someone beats you.

In an all-in situation, it’s a 5-card game, and you don’t know who the best hand is (usually) until the River. The only luck is in who stays in the hand with you to make what could be the better hand, which is determined entirely by the ordering of the shuffled deck.

It takes a lot of the decision making out of the game (do I play or fold? Do I bet or don’t I? How much do I bet?) The only decision making left at that point is in the other players, to call or not. And they don’t have enough information to make the right call. Before the flop is the hardest time to decide this, and they’re going to be wrong a fair bit of the time.

If you’re a bad enough player, automatically picking the same answer might well do you better than you otherwise would.

If you’re wrong the first time, you’re out. If you’re right the first time, you get a 1-mistake buffer on the next time. And so on, as long as you keep winning, eliminating someone else.

If everyone folds, you don’t risk anything but you gain only the blinds. But you also risk that someone might not fold because they’re holding a premium hand, and then you take a big loss, or possibly eliminated if it’s the first hand. I’d assume about half the time, you’re out in the first hand, the rest of the time you may last a while.

I still think you’re very vulnerable to someone who is patient and knows when it’s a good time to call. The only way to beat them is if they never get a good time to call, or doesn’t get a good time to call until your stack dominates theirs. Even then, they can still beat you in successive hands if they’re patient enough. I do this heads-up when I need to, and my success rate is better than the stack ratios when I’m dominated, so I must be doing something well.

So until I’m proven wrong, my thinking on this is that if you’re not a good player, this is a good strategy since it’s better than beating yourself through poor decision making, but that you’re vulnerable to a good player who knows how to play heads-up, and knows when to call and when to shove.

While 1 run isn’t conclusive, I don’t think anyone suggested it is.

And yes, I think it was done as an experiment, which is part of the scientific method.

I think bingo is a strategy, just not a very good one.

And yes, all results should be shared, not just the ones that support one position or another.

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It’s one thing to take one side of the discussion, and another thing to embellish and reinforce that side with things that were never said or suggested.

Did the OP suggest anywhere that it was an experiment in the name of science? No!
Did the OP post all results obtained from playing in that experimental way, showing times he won and times he lost playing this way, to make it a scientific project? No!
Does this one game prove anything scientifically? No!

Did he say anything that suggests bragging? Well, maybe:

The loose use of the term “clearly”, the conclusion that the bingo strategy is better than that of other players because 4 of them were busted out, and the rest of the things said in the chat during the hands in question, all suggest bragging and no scientific method.

Now if you don’t agree that there was bragging, that’s fine. But don’t blame me for disagreeing that this was a scientific experiment either :slight_smile:

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Another important way to assess the worthiness of a strategy is how well does it do against itself.

We can look at this most simply in heads up. Every game would end on the first hand, or possibly the second, third, etc. in the event of a chopped pot. One player will win as many hands as any other who plays this strategy. There’s no “better” way to play bingo, such that a better player will beat the lesser player more than 50%.

Can a player with greater experience and skill play this strategy better than the neophyte? No. The strategy is so simple that to play it at all is to play peak talent bingo. This is both its greatest strength, and its greatest weakness.

The only thing that an experienced Bingo player can do to improve their game, or to do better than 50% against another Bingo player, is to abandon bingo, and play other strategies.

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Anyway, it was an interesting scientific experiment. Bingo is clearly a valid strategy.

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Clearly :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

By the way, i have tried this in quite a few 9-seat SnGs, and I made the final table 100% of the time.

Clearly, it’s an optimal strategy for making final tables in 9-seat SnGs.

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Maya, you deny bingo has every scientific foundation.
This is only because you don’t know the scientific approach to bingo and lottery of many Italians, especially Neapolitans.
Their choice of numbers is strictly based on their dreams! In Italy there are several “Book of Dreams”, which are not to be confused with Sigmund Freud’s “The Interpretation of Dreams”. They tell you exactly what is the corresponding number to your dream.
The employees of Lottery shops in Naples are great experts. Freud would be green with envy! If, for example, I go there and say: I dreamed I was in a gondola with George Clooney and we kissed each other, they would immediately say: Venice = 24; gondola = 48; gorgeous man = 62; kiss = 80, lucky you! = 55.
We could apply the same scientific method to bingo play in poker, too. You dreamed you are drinking a mojito on a Caribbean Island (a recurrent dream of mine)? Here are the results: island = JJ; cocktail = 9T offsuit; blue sky = AT suited; sunshine = TT; seaside = 88.
With those cards in your hand you can’t lose, go always all-in pre-flop!

If you wish, do take note of your dreams, send the results to me in a private message, and I’ll consult some Neapolitan friends of mine. They’ll be glad to tell you with what cards you can go all-in pre-flop, and when you should refrain from it.

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That has peaked my curiosity. I believe I will try to fold every hand, preflop in a 9-seat SnG, and see if I make the final table! It is a strategy I have considered many times. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

I had no idea that Neapolitans were such prophets. I do however, know that they make the best ice cream sandwiches.