Here you can post links for hands and openly discuss how you think a hand should be played in the private team league games. Share your opinion be nice, helpful, and informative.
Here are my first two entries
Hand 1
1187256733/flush-jack-high
Hand 2
1187259277/full-house-aces-full-of-queens
Please let me know what you think.
Both these hands seem similar but have completely different explanations.
What do you say about them?
Hand 1 I think the fellow team member should have folded.
Hand 2, one of the team members didnt have the, a team picture, so that might be why what happened, unless if a player changes profile pic, and that applies to posted Hand Histories as well.
If the 1 of the 2 team members did have a team pic, I think the other team member probably should have folded preflop. Postflop seems a little trickier. If it was only the 2 team members in hand, then the other team member could, would, should easily fold. But given there was a different team opponent in hand, combined with the preflop action, the flopped board, the chances were that team member 1 a, had top pair, probably best kicker, and opponent semi might semi probably have top pair of aces, lesser kicker, and that team member 1 b, semi might semi probably, wouldnt force opponent to fold, and probably would lose to opponent. So team member 1 b, should have probably check folded, then hope for win, next hand.
Team member 1 a, faced a seemingly to me tricky decision. He doesnt want to call, and likely bust out his fellow team member, another reason why should have folded preflop, but he doesnt want his fellow team member to likely lose his chips to opponent, and he knows that if his opponent has a Ace, that he might be able to win a big pot, then redistribute those chips to team members later.
Given that, I think it’s a 50/50 decision, and that either choice, call or fold, is, are both ok, postflop(should have folded preflop(I think(maybe I wrong(I am a newer team player after all)
I think both hands put the players in difficult spots. For hand 1 with a teammate going all in pre flop in early position and another player calling, I don’t have a big issue with the call. This is a situation where you can protect your all in teammate by potentially driving the other player out of the pot and hoping that your teammate then has a better hand than you (they likely do have a good starting hand). I don’t know it I would continued after bets on the flop and turn from the villain and that strategy didn’t seem good, but on the river the hero can knock out the other player and keep his team mates chips “in house” it is a good play.
In the second hand, the pre-flop call is reasonable, but I did not like the re-raise shove after the flop with a teammate all in in-front, but it was a valid means to protect your teammate since there were other players behind but there you know the teammate likely does not have a better hand as the hero had top two pair. Now it works out with another villian calling and they clearly would have called your teammate and won, so the outcome was a pass and a big win.
However; in both cases, if I am the short stacked teammate going all in and getting called I’m not too pleased with the play. The closer to the points bubble the more important it is to keep your teammates in the game so the team can claim those point spots (I don’t know what that dynamic was). In that case, scoring points and preventing another team from scoring points is a double bonus which would likely make me consider not entering the hand at all.
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Team poker is a trust game. The second hand, the call with AJ was a blatantly bad call in a team game unless the AQ raiser has shown they bet ridiculously loose. Have to trust they hit that flop and hit it hard on that bet. The first hand? Rain going all in from first position, his bb teammate (in my opinion) ONLY calls with opponents in AND possessing a hand. To me J4 is NOT a hand.
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In my opinion this whole discussion is a moot point
YOU NEVER CALL A TEAMMATES ALL IN
The hand above was Monday and I would have lost but the point is
you never call a teammates all in
This hand was Sunday 1186913348 I would have won but the point is
you never call a teammates all in
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We have a rule with the Cons that you NEVER call a teammate’s AI, even if you have aces. I have said with Sharon and posted in our Skype chat that no rule is ever 100%. I will give a good example. You’re on the final table and teammate goes AI and someone with a smaller stack than you calls that teammate. You’re sitting with aces, maybe kings and have a bigger stack than villain. You are probably going to take teammate out, but probably villain also. In that case, I think it’s a good play. But before you get to the final table, if you call a teammate’s AI, you better have damn good reasoning to back it up, and I mean REALLY good reasoning! In the case of those 2 hands that Michael posted, both to me are very obvious. The first hand is just a greedy play. J4 and you call? Not even close to being justified. Second hand, I think Dennis had tunnel vision, but even with AQ, in that spot, no other reason to make that call. One further point…calling a teammate’s AI with a crappy hand because you think you can pass chips is also a bad play, and we’ve seen it many times. The bad hand hits. Even a 72o against pocket aces is only about a 7:1 dog.
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Hand 1: Fly shouldn’t have called rain’s all-in.
Hand 2: Its tricky. I generally adhere to not calling a teamie’s all-in but I also don’t think I would have shoved with a gut-shot straight draw knowing it would force my teammate to fold his hand. I think I would have checked to maf.
Not calling a teammate’s all-in is a good general rule but its not something to be dogmatic about. Every hand/situation is different. I can’t fault maf for that play. Flopping 2 pair in that situation put him in an excellent position to take out other players and himself to go much farther in the game. I can’t see how folding for the sake of dogma helps the team in this specific situation.
Normally I’d agree with Mahvelous that you’d need a very good reason to call an AI but I think this time it was warranted.
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Never say never. Blinds at 750 1500 your team goes all in for his 1540 chips. Two opponents call, or better yet, raise. You do not fold with AA. Taking out big stacked opponents at sacrifice of a super low stacked team mate is more than ok in my book.
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Yeah, I think your right, as I always fold to a fellow team member all in, unless I accidentally don’t see that its a fellow team member(only happened 1,2 times). Also CM I hope where when you were in BB, and where I accidentally didnt notice it was you, where I accidentally raised your very short stack on bb, with AQ suited, didn’t upset you, wasnt the thing that caused you to leave. I’m very sorry that accidentally happened. You are a awesome player, and are, were a awesome fellow team member. Thanks for playing with me, and for being such a awesome team member to me, that you were, and thanks for your example, and the things that I learned from you.
Are non-team players allowed to comment? I will anyway, 
Hand #1: It’s a no-brainer, With J-7, fly should have folded and allow teammate an opportunity to win the hand and stay in the game.
Hand #2: Going all in with a gut shot straight with a teammate still in hand is a bad play. Puts teammate in bad position and risks losing not only his own chips but teammates as well if teammate folds. Mafus made the right decision to call and take the chips from opponent and keep the chips with the team.
I have to agree with Norris @_snowman on both counts.
I wanted to open a dialog on decision making in the situations of calling an all-in teammate to prove a point about outcome related conversations.
I have notised that in the scenario of a player calling another teammates all-in where as the player that went all-in wins, that there is no recourse, words like “that worked out” tend to grace the chat box as apposed to a negative drama conclusion when they lose if called by a teammate.
What is the line?
Here is one for the never call an all-in teammate players:
Scenario: #3
It’s late in the game BBs are 2000, you are in small blind 1000, your teammate has 28 chips left and are in the field, teammate goes all in with 28 chips you have AK suited in SB, BB has only 2300 chips left. What is your move?