I ask’d about dead cards for 2 reasons, not random flops, here’s why …
2 of the programs I ran across had a row for dead cards @ bottom, but couldn’t be set to RND. Because of the ““Burn cards”” thread, I wanted to see what calculators would show or not, odds chgs.
Also since I don’t use any of the 3 types you listed, I was looking for a compelling reason to think about getting one/some/all of what you listed.
While I’m on the fence about realtime helpers, Hand loggers that would make data available for any hand seen/played against ( with publically known info, so I mean if someone showed cards you know what they had, if they muck then you do not have that info ) across many pokersites, so data is always organized to the user the same way, would seem to be a big help.
Again though, dry data… leaves out too much. Player A might 3! 50% of the time, but 90% of those might be against worse/specific players. Perhaps most of those are with a specific chipstack adv. , or in a specific posistion.
If on the other hand a logger… log’d everything possible (known legally) , then yes I can see a benefit if thus I can search that data and gleam something like, ohhh
Of the 14 times Warlock has 3! me, after a flop, 9 times I was OOP, 11 times I was stacked and by how much on ave. , ave size of raise was xx, and ave % to win was yy.
While not in realtime, that info would allow players to see over time, down to a personal level, what players are doing to them and in what situations. They could see what works and what doesn’t on a situational level. I could even see teaching tools, that given hand data, could go back and coach a player on mistakes made depending on certain goals and stratagies.
I have long wondered about “other programs”. I don’t want any site I go to having the power to peer into my computer to see what is multi-tasking. So I see calculators / solvers / AIs in the same light as 3rd party chat clients, … your poker site will never be able to know they are running, so he who has the best tech usually wins. (I dont)
Any calculator that I would use, needs to have Rnd dead cards available. I want the knowledge of how the same hand is different, depending on if I play it Online or Live. Personally, if AIs can beat Kasperov, its only a matter of time till there are fierce poker AIs/bots.
Back on topic tho, I do see value is ““de-briefing”” myself on my play. Being able to step thru each hand, and see %s as hands evolve. Watch as other players play certain %s. Perhaps I watch it go from 85/15 to 80/20 to 70/30 to 40/60 when that certain river shows up. So players could see what the ““real”” gotcha cards are, and how frequently they might show up.
Thanks Warlock, not sure you cleared anything up, but you gave me food for thought.