The “No Check-Raise Rule” was invented by a sweet little grandmother who was playing poker with her grandchildren (for matchsticks) and when one of them check-raised and another cried, she put this rule into effect.
In other words, it’s a rule for the … kitchen-table, among family and close friends, game designed to facilitate conversation and good feelings between family and friends while doing something … kind of game.
When/why it spread to REAL poker games is one of the great, unknowable mysteries of the universe.
One of my favorite moves. watch out i’ll check and raise. I don’t know when I will do it but be sure I will fool you. There is no “No Check-Raise Rule”. That I am aware of. So try it!!! You will like it.
Depends on the situation. If the flop shows a pair, you make a trip, you are not going to bet immediately. Everyone will make out your trip. You will check there. If some one is already betting heavy, you get a better hand, you wait for him to bet, and raise. Otherwise its better make the right bet and collect the possible calls, than losing as nobody bets.
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In my personal experience, of late I have been a heavy victim of this check and raise or call and raise next round. Lost a trip to straight, twice full to quad (not Texas hold 'em) and few more I can’t remember. The mistake I was doing was, once everyone checks or just calls my bet I assume my hand is better if I am holding a good hand and don’t seem to change the assumption unless a turn or river changes it . If someone suddenly raises with all other parameters same (like unrelated turn and river) I should quickly realize its a deferred call/bet and I should adjust my bet accordingly. I am learning the harsher situations, could be useful to others.
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Here is the very good illustration of check and raise, and how I got trapped with my trip to a straight. This hand was played today. Some people may find it silly, think the straight is easy to spot. It wasn’t easy to me, once I was trapped in the assumption my trip is a better hand.
I think they played it extremely well which is why the str8 didn’t stand out. Just a call after the flop and then betting on the turn I would prolly assume they had 2 pair.
I think you were the victim of a perfect check raise and feel sure I would have been too in this hand.
Grandy, it has been my experience, be it limited, is that it can be a very useful tool. Just like a re-raise or an all-in move, some don’t like when you do it, but that’s poker. I use it often after checking to see where the power is at the table, or if someone has ANYTHING AT ALL. I have also seen a sign at a tournament at a casino that said “NO CHECK RAISING”, right on the leader board.
That’s why I was wondering if it’s even legal on RP much less ethical.
Lately I’ve been using it when the opportunity presents itself and no one has had a negative reaction…I even got a WD one time from the player I check raised.
In some legal professional card rooms, especially in California in the early days, signs like that were common because they only played draw poker and most of the players were amateurs off the street… Even today, in a lot of Lowball draw games in California, a player MUST bet if he has an 8-low or better after the draw; if he checks and wins, the dealer must give back all the chips bet after the draw. Many “home” players consider the check-raise to be dirty pool; club players are mixed, and casino (professional) players are universally in favor. So, you follow the local house rule. Replay clearly allows it.
I agree to a point , but in a freeroll /free chip game , most players arent laying down any pair they hit on the flop to a check/raise .
In a real live tournament where REAL cash is on the line , it is a must-use .
