What I have had success with is… when a player is throwing an all in, every time, I time out my timer before I fold. If everyone on the table does this it ruins the plan of the bingo player who has no patience. They take the hint and leave the table.
That is a bad idea as it spoils the game for all, if you know how to play wait and drop the bomb on him. That’s the way I deal with clock runners works every time.
How about rake the bet even if no call? Ofc in % , not have max…
You see, right now say low stake 10/20 blinds, if before flop all in, no rake at all…
if any time after in game, all in no rake, only existing pot (if no call)
if (this not accurate) say 2000 in pot, have 250 rake, but if 2000 in pot, some all in (even if called) that still 250 rake
This all just generate more “bingo” players… Not even close to real play…
I have found Replay to be the best play money site. Very few bingo players here thanks to Replay ranking players. Most play like its real money. I enjoy the challenge of high limit games without bingo issues.
I only play tournaments. From my personal experience, I have found that in the higher stake buy ins (the 250k mmt games in particular) people play more bingo than the ones in the lower stake buy ins (the 10k, 15k, 50k ones). I’m not even exaggerating, the last 250k game I was in people were going all in EVERY SINGLE ROUND. And if somebody got top pair it was almost guaranteed they’d go all in, no matter what the board looked like. Keep in mind these were players all in the top 1,000 Rank. I got 4th place (1 Mil prize) and all I had to do was wait for a good hand because I knew somebody would go all in LOL.
It’s VERY ironic. I had the presumption that players with more chips would play better poker than the players with fewer chips, but boy was I wrong!! I guess after a while people with millions of fake chips stop caring and don’t mind going all in with middle pair because they think “if I get knocked out, who cares, I still have millions more!”. My advice is: if you want less bingo and better poker, play in games where people actually care about their chips, but not games where the buy in is too low. I think the 50k buy in games are the best, just wait 10-20 minutes for the fish to get knocked out then people seem to play well.
The capping is there to not spoil good players and not crush your hourly win rate. In live poker you actually have to pay attention to rake and capping to see if a table can even be profitable or if the casino is robbing you blind.
So I like the 5% rule and the low cap since it’s only there to control inflation (which seems impossible given there are more and more players and everybody gets 2,5k a day by just logging in but that’s another topic).
If the RP team does what you’re suggesting it won’t solve the problem of bingo players because most of them don’t care about rake/cap. And it would only “solve” it in ring games. The only result would be cutting in decent players’ earnings when they do call the bingo tard making it even less likely that it happens.
While I know and understand and agree on what you said, I think still some room for it, if not, out of the box ideas still have own value.
I worry about this chips ecconomy today… Mark my word and see.
I completely agree. Though I’m not sure rake/cap increase is the solution even though it’s out of the box
They can always scratch a zero if it really gets bad, historically it’s been done in some countries so why not?
They cant and probably wont do that.( albeit, this site could be shut down and new could be opened, especially when big change. This is the easy way, old and new and active players can be called)
The first big attempt was ad a zero to the free chips. ( that time was only sign up 250 chips.) That was a mistake under the old CEO.
Some/most of the rake go to freerolls.
Anyway, some way to decrase chips number, have to be carefull tho. Some idea emerged before.
VIP like system, user could play monthly in real money or in chips…
The option of refusal of daily chips, even give back all free/award/sign up chips ( shows the player earned/win all chips )
A “fame of hall” if player hold a specific position on leaderboard for a set time, they could “buy” they place on it.
Take away some of the chips if owner not play for a year or so.
That last one could be adjust, like from your win (added rake 50%) added to the pool only added to the person who knock you out. Lots of solutions, I never said, its have to be like in the firs version…
Could be withdrave that extra if player log out from table. Any idea need waight out and make adjustment.
Do help, even if not solution 100%. (better then some suggest restriction…)
Anyway, the biggest problem, a year ago I have 4 mill on the 180th place. two days ago 1208. Today 1219.
I see recently the chips cheaper… LOL
Myself have more then 20 idea, none of them implented. ( EDIT: only rake they did implement, first they dont wanted, only when mentioned, its make the play more realistic)
Anyway, not too much left in RP if go like this…
Why cant you fix it where we can make a private table where when bingo players cannot ply on your table? Whoever makes the table is in charge of who can play at that table when bingo players show up the maker of the table can eject them and then everyone can enjoy their game. I know it part of poker but some of us come here with long time friends and want to enjoy our game
without them ruining our good time here.
TY for allowing me to express my pinion
Other threads covering this.
Was a plan to do private rooms. Not sure they still planning.
With flash, right now its complicated. When HTML5 in the work, will be more likely, becuose its much easy to program it and less limitation.
A post was split to a new topic: Help resizing chat?
My bad, agreed
I would like to see a limit placed on the bets in most tourneys. Up it each time with the blinds but start fairly low and work upwards with the blinds. There are too many bingo players and if they can only bet a small amount at first and increases with each blind then many more players would stand a chance at winning tourneys.
Start with say a max bet of 200 on the first blind and increase it till the final blind where they can then go all in if they choose. Not every tourney would have to be this way but I feel that many tourneys would benefit from an increase with each blind.
Players realizing they can’t go all in would steer many away to other tourneys where they can go all in. Just an idea but one I think we should consider to limit the number of bingo players in all tourneys.
Hopefully the staff will consider this idea and find a way to help stop the bingo players in all the games.
I agree with you about finding good poker at the 10 to 50g tmmt games. I used to find some good action at medium stakes ring games, Beijing Rush, Acropolis of Athens, but lately it has gotten to where it is not the occasional bingo player that I encounter, but more so now is what I “call bingo tables”.
Please allow me to attempt to explain what I’m talking about. Very very few pre-flop raises, everybody comes in almost every hand for the min. Then it goes check, check, check to the river and it is not unusual to end up with 5 or 6 sometimes 7 players still in. Unbelievable, and this goes on hand after hand. Then it gets worse, if some one happens to make the rare 3x, 4x pre-flop bet, I sit in amazement as they all pile on, premium hands lose their value with 5 to 7 callers, so everybody once again checks to the river. Unbelievable. So like yourself, I’ve taken to playing the 10 to 50k t’s. I’ve won some and have placed in the chips often enough, and really enjoy the level of competition and the feeling of a game that at least resembles what poker is.
However , sometimes my bank needs a boost. So now what I do is take a spectator seat before I enter a ring game, it only takes a few minutes to get a read on the type of players are at the table. The point is, not all the tables or players at that stake level are what I call “Bingo.” A person just has to take the few minutes it requires to find them. Good players like good players, Just saying, GL E1.
We’re still looking at what we can do to help with the bingo “problem” on our end – it’s a complex situation, since it is a valid tactic… if not a very wise one. We agree that it can be pretty lame, but at the same time, being stuck with a tall-stacked chip bully is about the same – and that’s a totally legit part of poker.
In the meantime, we do have higher stake levels, which tend to have folks more into the poker part of poker. (Though not as a rule! Poker players love variety – spice of life and all that. =) Messing with pot limit and fixed limits – games where you /can’t/ pre-flop all-in – are also a fun option for mixing it up.
As always, we love your feedback – if you all think of a really good way to help change the flow of bingo games, we’re listening. You are our poker experts! (I mean, we have Chasetheriver too, but our perspective isn’t the same. =)
As I posted a while back I think it would be a good idea to place limits on the bets in many tourneys. The last couple days would seem to highlight that. The number of bingo players who bully everyone by going all in every hand has increased the last few days and it’s become plain stupid trying to play against them.
It’s almost like everyone has heard that you allow bingo in every tourney and they’ve all decided to join in. I enjoy a good game of friendly poker and don’t wish to be harassed by bingo players in every tourney. I believe that placing limits on the amount to be bet increased with each blind is a very good idea and really needs to be considered.
The last couple of days I’ve lost a number of hands due to extremely bets which shouldn’t be allowed. Starting with small amounts and increasing with each blind would be a way of stopping all the bingo in many tourneys.
As I said it doesn’t have to be in every tourney but the majority of tourneys would benefit would the idea. I haven’t seen you post a response to my suggestion which I think is a good one and many of the players I’ve spoken to agree that would solve the problem as it would steer the bingo players to the tourneys that allow bingo to be played and allow those of us who wish to play a friendly game of poker the opportunity to do so.
Your feedback on this suggestion would be appreciated.
Just a thought ! Would it be possible to set it up so you can’t go all in until after the flop. It will not get rid of Bingo players but maybe it would cut it down quite a bit. I don’t know if it would work but thought I would just throw it out there.
There are more than a few concerns about bingo players and how often you run up against them. Lets be perfectly clear here… BINGO only refers to a pre-flop big/all-in bet. Once the flop is out, then any big/all-in bet is basically protecting or representing you are protecting the potential winning hand.
Now that we are clear in what a Bingo is, lets go thru all of this.
Here are some very good reasons why people bingo hands…
1- Well, I have 1.5 million and the buyin is only 2k, I can play as loose as I want, because losing 2k in chips won’t hurt me even if I don’t cash.
2- I just got bumped 10th and they only give tickets for 1-9th, therefore I’m on tilt and just wanna blow off some steam for awhile.
3- I’m tired of playing it safe, so I’m going to start making people risk being dumped from the tournament for playing junk and sucking out on me… even if I have to do it pre-flop.
4- Ohh look that player that hates bingos is here, I think I’ll rattle thier cage a bit.
5- I think I’ll try out a new strategy this time and see how in certain situations, most people have the tendancy to fold even when in the lead.
6- This is the 500 B&R, I need 15k in chips before 1st break and I can afford to pay for it.
7- Its heads up… either I get bullied or I’m a bully…
Lets face it, even if its real money there will always be bingo players. There are 2 tournaments here that are famous for being Bingo-Mania tournaments ( 500 B&R, and 1500 +R ), both have unlim rebuys for 30 minutes. There are real reasons to bingo a hand/tournament and there are also people that do it for no reason at all.
98% of every possible way to stop Bingo players, just hurts the game and the other players. You must treat this strategy as any other and to learn to deal with it … just like the endless squatters ( ppl sitting out so long ) and the Blinds wasters…
You also need to remember… No-Limit , Pot-limit, Mixed-limit, Fixed-limit … if you don’t want to play no-limit, then petition the staff to make more PL, ML tournaments.
I may be young, but I know the value of using the rules to my advantage if possible. I also have seen times when rules were changed to limit the way a person approached a situation. Usually using an adaptation strategy those who use the rules will always be ahead of those who write the rules. I can give you a couple examples…
1- restrict players to only enter tourns with a buyin => 10% of thier bank. ( intent is to stop ppl with 3m in bank to play tourns that won’t hurt thier bank like a 1-5k entry.
Problem is then you hit that ceiling and just want to casually play that night and you are forced to risk 10% of your bank just to play… and it doesn’t matter what that ceiling is… someone always gets screwed.
2- change the limit of any pre-flop bet… Well right there, it is no longer No-Limit, its now something else like ML or PL… just offer a few more of those tourns don’t ruin NL for all.
Bingo players are annoying. I noticed though the higher stake game you play the less Bingo players their are.